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Challenge: 19 code magic exposed

The first letter: Numbers DO lie!

These days we can here from all sides that numbers do not lie. Many people try to prove their faith`s doctrines and beliefs using numbers and calculations. They usually say :"Numbers do not lie". Well, this is true, numbers do not lie, but also it is true that numbers(just like anything else) could be used to justify lies or to produce lies. Did stickes and ropes used by pharaoh`s magicians lie? No, but they are used and presented by magicians in a such way that it appeared as they are moving, giving the false picture of reality. I`ll repeat , the stickes and ropes used by magicians are presented in a specific way(known to magicians) to give a false picture of the reality, that is, to appear that they are moving and that magicians have some magic power. Even Musa was frighteened a bit: "...Whereupon, their ropes and sticks appeared to him, because of their magic, as if they were moving. And Moses harbored some fear." 20/66-67. 

In the very same way, today, many people manipulate with numbers and calculations and present them in a way that they appear as miraculous. 

And the people even call them the Messangers of God! And, in fact, they are nothing but number magicians. 

It is very telling that you are using the same words as the Quran predicts when describing the mathematical miracle....

[10:1] A.L.R.* These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.

[10:2] Is it too much of a wonder for the people that we inspired a man like them? He (was inspired to say), "You shall warn the people, and give good news to those who believe that they have attained a position of prominence at their Lord." The disbelievers said, "This is a clever
magician!"

[10:76] When the truth came to them from us, they said, "This is obviously magic!"

[21:2-3] When a proof comes to them from their Lord, that is new, they listen to it heedlessly. Their minds are heedless. And the transgressors confer secretly: "Is he not just a human being like you? Would you accept the magic that is presented to you?"

[34:43] When our proofs were recited to them, perfectly clear, they said, "This is simply a man who wants to divert you from the way your parents are worshiping." They also said, "These are fabricated lies." Those who disbelieved also said about the truth that came to them, "This is obviously magic."

[37:14-15] When they see proof, they ridicule it. They say, "This is obviously magic! 

[38:1-4] S. (Saad), and the Quran that contains the proof. Those who disbelieve have plunged into arrogance and defiance. Many a generation before them we annihilated. They called for help, in vain. They wondered that a warner should come to them, from among them. The
disbelievers said, "A magician, a liar. 

It is also true that some people who try to justify/prove their faith using numbers, LIE about thier numbers. Today i`ll show to you an example: In RK`s translation of Quran, in appendix No.1, the following "fact" is presented as miraculous, and as a one of the proofs of divinity of The Quran: Every word in first verse is mentioned in the Quran in multiples of 19. a) The first word (Ism) is mentioned in the Quran 19 times, 19x1. b) The second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142. c) The third word (Al-Rahman=Most Gracious) is mentioned in the Quran 57 times, or 19x3. d) The fourth word (Al-Raheem=Most Merciful) is mentioned in the Quran 114 times, or 19x6.

COMMENT:

NOTHING/NONE of the data above is correct(even if we do not count 9/128-129, the verses that he claimed to be false). I`ll repeat, NOTHING IS CORRECT, nor actuall counts are divisible by 19 . And people even call it a MIRACLE!!?? May God forgive me for being caught by this magic in the past too. May God forgive me my stupidity and all the evil that i have done being bewitched by the numbers, and may all the people that i injured being bewitched forgive me...

Let me analyse data above and explain all the manipulations used to get 19 divisibility for four bismillah`s words, let me expose the number magicians using the Musas stick of our time- God`s Sign -Quran and its criteria and methods that it recommend to us: objective investigation, analysis and rational thinking.

**First word (I)sm in its original form, as it is used in bismillah(invocation), is mentioned 115 times in the quran. Not divisible by 19. To get desired count, that is,19, he completely excluded ALL of its occurences???!!! Instead, he counted the other form of that word, and that is "Ism", or more correct "ASM". But he was not consistent even in this arbitrary counting, he further excluded all of its plural forms and all the forms with sufixxes (hu) and (hi) (what was not the case in other counts, for example when he counted all the forms of the words with root R- SH -D, when he wanted to prove his messengership)

Enlcosed are the file from the Index of the Quran, published in 1934, 1 year before Rashad Khalifa was even born. 

**The second word- Allah, occurs 2815 times in Quran(if 9/128-129 are excluded). Not divisible by 19.

To get 2698(19 divisible) RK exluded 5 occurences of the word Allah. Some justifying it by the fact that these 5 occurences have suffix(hu)mma. Allahumma means "O God!" and it is used when somebody is is calling upon Allah - One and Only True God. PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 1:1. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that.

According to the Index of the Quran, the number of occurrences of the word God, with the two false verses are 2698. In the Index of the Quran they did not count the occurence of God in verse 1:1, which is the only Basmalah in the beginning of a sura which is numbered. All the occurrences of the word God in the numbered verses are thus 2698. 

When Rashad did his first count of the word Allah, he included the two false verses. That count was published in his book called "The Computer Speaks" and "Quran: Visual Presentation of the Miracle". Miraculously enough, the computer missed one occurrence in that count, providing a total of 2698 WITH the two false verses 9:128-129. When the two false verses were later removed after proven to be false, this error was discovered, and the count stayed at 2698, 19x142. What is even more astounding is that the verse the computer skipped was verse 9:15, exactly 114 verses before the verse that had the extra occurence of the word God in sura 9:129. 

As we know, 114 is the number of suras in the Quran, no more, no less, and these are the chapters to provide us with religious guidance, and that is what the miracle is meant to tell us. That is why this fact is significant. God shows us His signs in all kinds of ways. 

**The third word Ar-Rahmaan occurs in the quran 169 times. Not divisible by 19.

To get desired 19 divisible count , that is, 57, RK had to exclude all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters except in the first one?!?!, that is, 1:1 in hafs version of quranic text.

The reason the first occurence is counted is because it is the only verse, besides 27:30, in which Basmalah is numbered. The count of these words are in the numbered verses. The fact that the first Basmalah is numbered and the rest not has never been disputed. 

**The fourth word- Al-Raheem, occurs 146 times in the Qur'an. Not divisible by 19.

To get 19-divisible number, 114, he excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters except in the first one!? (1:1) and he also included all the occurences of the word Raheem(80) -that is not orriginaly mentioned in invocation(bismillah). Not to mention that he, again and again, was not consistant in his counting, he included its accusative form (with suffixed alif) what was not the case in the counting of the the word `Quran` where accusative forms were completely excluded!

Again, the reason for counting the occurence in the first verse is because it is numbered. Enclosed below is the image from the Index of the Quran published in 1934, in which any reader can verify for themselves that the root word for Ar-Rahman is mentioned exactly 57 times. 

After all, for all of this doctored counts of RK, it is necessery to exclude 9/128-129 if we want them to be 19-divisable.

Yes, that is correct. This proves that they do not belong in the Quran. As we know, these two verses were always suspected as false due to the dubious history surrounding them. To read more: http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/appendix24.html

So, if one is consistently changing his criteria of counting, he could produce a perfect "miracle"-but then it will not be a miracle, I`ll rather call it - magic. If one is allowed to include what he want and to exclude what he want and when he want it, and if he is allowed to exclude the very same word that he is counting only because it`s meaning in the sentence reffers to something different (for example "QURAN other than this" in 10/15)and other time(while counting other words) to include it, and if he is allowed to count plural forms when he want and not to count it when he want, and if he is allowed to count verb`s form of the arabic words and to exclude it when he want, then , his numbers and calculations, his number`s magic, could appear to be very impressive IN THE CASE IF -somebody did not check, -and if he did not consider continuous changing of counting criteria, -and if he is not aware of all incosistency in the counting and calculations. -Esspecially if he do not respect the fact that magician has been polishing and stranghteening his magic during more then 15 years -and that he had several friends who helped him with all thier strenght -and that they used computers for calculations -and that after magician`s dead, there are hundreds, if not thousands, other magicians who are in power to support his sorcery with their mighty new era computers -and that magicians work hardly day and night to find interesting nubers and its relations -and that magicians themselves are obsessed with numbers in the way that their brains are automatically tuned/ajusted to produce and to find 19-dividable patterns

It is absolutely amazing that you would choose the word magic and magician when describing your assessment of the mathematical miracle of the Quran, as the Quran prophecies the use of these terms when it comes to those who refutes these new proofs. 

Verse No	Sura 6
6:4	No matter what kind of proof comes to them from their Lord, they turn away from it, in aversion.
6:5	Since they rejected the truth when it came to them, they have incurred the consequences of their heedlessness.
6:6	Have they not seen how many generations before them we have annihilated? We established them on earth more than we did for you, and we showered them with blessings, generously, and we provided them with flowing streams. We then annihilated them because of their sins, and we substituted another generation in their place.
6:7	Even if we sent down to them a physical book, written on paper, and they touched it with their hands, those who disbelieved would have said, "This is no more than clever magic."

Verse No	Sura 10
10:1	A.L.R.* These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.
10:2	Is it too much of a wonder for the people that we inspired a man like them? He (was inspired to say), "You shall warn the people, and give good news to those who believe that they have attained a position of prominence at their Lord." The disbelievers said, "This is a clever magician!"

Verse No	Sura 21
21:2	When a proof comes to them from their Lord, that is new, they listen to it heedlessly.
21:3	Their minds are heedless. And the transgressors confer secretly: "Is he not just a human being like you? Would you accept the magic that is presented to you?"*

Verse No	Sura 34
34:43	When our proofs were recited to them, perfectly clear, they said, "This is simply a man who wants to divert you from the way your parents are worshiping." They also said, "These are fabricated lies." Those who disbelieved also said about the truth that came to them, "This is obviously magic."

Verse No	Sura 37
37:14	When they see proof, they ridicule it.
37:15	They say, "This is obviously magic!

Verse No	Sura 54
54:1	The Hour has come closer, and the moon has split.
54:2	Then they saw a miracle; but they turned away and said, "Old magic."

See also 38:4, 46:7, 74:24. 

The last verses presented here, 54:1-2 proves that the miracle will come AFTER we brought back rocks from the moon, i.e. after 1969. 

Plus, what is most important,magicians are usually making thousands of calculations , and only after that they present 20 or 30, that are divisible with 19 or whatever. They never present all of their attempts and calculations, they presents only those that works, in order that their audience may be impressed. And it happens, cause intuitively we are not aware of all the possible ways, combinations and sort of calculations that may be used to get desired results and divisibility. In The Quran there is an ocean of statistics that should be calculated. If some of them come out as 19- divisible, there is nothing miraculous in it. After all, in my opinion, the real miracle lies in the fact that they, actually, did not find anything significant, except maybe a few interesting facts which proves nothing.

As can be expected, a lot of people have jumped on this wagon and want to find their own 'miraculous' numbers. There are many that produce lots of numbers they claim to be related to the number 19 and the miracle of the Quran, when they are in fact exactly what you describe here - tireless efforts in finding any numbers divisible by 19, using lots of different combinations and criteria. This of course has nothing to do with the straightforward counting of suras, verses, words and letters in the Quran. Nor has it anything to do with the signature of 19 in God's creation, our bodies and in the universe. 

The efforts of such people are unfortunately serving to divert people from the real deal. Many that have produced hundreds of numbers based on inconsistent criteria, but blinded by that fact, have also taken the step to announce messengership. In fact, in average one person per year have announced messengership using the miracle of 19 since Rashad Khalifa was martyred. 

What better way to dilute and try to neturalize the impact of the news of the real deal? The fact that there IS a mathematical composition in the Quran based on the number 19 is commonly known even in the traditional Muslim circles. That is why they tell their people about the fact that 'There is something about number 19 and the Quran. This is just yet another proof that this is from God. Nothing more.' They do this completely overlooking the Quranic LAW that no man or woman can access any information in the Quran, much less a secret that has been hidden in it for 1400 years, that is not a sincere believer. And, as we also know from the Quran, a sincere believer will never lie about God's revelations. 

In summary, NOTHING of the miraculous counts/calculations (for 4 bismillahs words) from appendix of RK`s translation of Quran, mentioned above was correct, all acctual/true counts are not divisible by 19.

As shown above, the opposite is true. Every single number is correct and you now have the material and information avialable to you to verify that on this site. 

Counting criteria were arbitrary and biased- consciously inclined toward producing 19-divisible counts and were very inconsistent. In fact only thing that was consistently applied was INconsistency. By selecting/choosing the criteria of counting with biaseness and with arbitrary exclusions and inclusions of different forms of the words (and keeping secret many of it, not mentioning clearly many of it) magician make up his magic to look very impressive.

If that was true one would have reason to doubt, no question about that. That however is not the case, and anyone who wants to verify the count can do so: http://www.submission.info/quran/miracle/index.html

Second letter: More on counting

My understanding is also that we need not predefined criteria for counting(or reflecting in your example). But the thing is that if one is allowed to change criteria every time he counts, the miracle dissappears,that is, it is possible to create/generate a miracle changing criteria every time.

For example:

1. a- when counting four bismilah`s words:(i)sm, allah , ar-rahman and ar-raheem, all occurences of these words in the bismellahs on the begginings of the quranic chapters are ***excluded***??? b- when counting "initials"(Ja, sin, etc.), the letters from bismillahs on the begginings of the chapters are **included**???

That is the way God designed it. IF some Basmalahs were counted and others not, there would have been reason to doubt this system. However, the system to include the Basmalah is consistent throughout the count of the Initials. Perhaps a random, undeliberate system could produce exact multiples of 19 in 2 or maximum 3 of the suras, but ALL of them? That is beyond probability. 

2.when counting the four bismillah`s words, all occurences in the bismillahs on the beggining of the chapters are excluded **except** those in the first bismellah?? The excuse was that it is only numbered bismillah, but in warsh verison of quranic text it is not numbered . And if we do not count numbered bismilahs, why they are included in counting of letters in the surahs that starts with such a letters/"initials"?

The answer to the question why is simply because God designed it this way. The first Basmalah IS the only Basmalah that is numbered. This is commonly known and has never been disputed. 

3.when counting four bismillah`s words, their occurences in 1:1 are included for words allah ,arrahman and arraheem but the ocurence of the word -(i)sm- is not included ???

The verses counted for Ism are (as with the other words in Basmalah), are the occurences in its root format (Alif, Seen, Meem): 5:4, 6:118, 119, 121, 138, 22:28, 34, 36, 40, 49:11, 55:78, 56:74, 96, 69:52, 73:8, 76:25, 87:1, 15, 96:1. 

To read all about the four words, click here. 

The pages with the 19 occurences of the word BISM in its root format from the "Index of the Quran" (published 1934) is enclosed for your convenience in verifying. To see the pages, click here and here.  

4.the count of word raheeem is included in count of ar-raheeem to get 114, but I am sure that if the count of ar-raheeem alone was dividable with 19, the count of raheem would be excluded. And if that was necessary rk would included all other words with the same root R-H-M, just like it was case with counting all the forms of the words with the root R-SH-D to get the total 19 and justify his messengership?

Is this a 'If-he-would-have-done-this-I-could-have-said-this-but-he-didn't-but-if-he-had' comment?

5.Though the word raheem is not the word originaly mentioned in bismilah, he counted it, he even counted/included its accusative form to get 19 divisibility, THAT was NOT the case when word quran is counted, where he actually excluded its accusative form to get 57, that is, 19 divisibility(additionally he excluded anothe two/three occurences which reffer to "quran other than this" and "non-arabic quran")

It is very straightforward logic to exclude the count of the occurrence "a Quran other than this" when counting the occurrences of the word Quran. 'Other than this' is the same as 'not this one'. There is only one place in the Quran where God uses these words: 

[10:15] When our revelations are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet us say, "Bring a Quran* other than this, or change it!" Say, "I cannot possibly change it on my own. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day."

To read all about the occurences of the word Raheem, please click here. 

6 When counted the word Allah he exluded 5!!! occurences because of its suffix humma??? Allahumma means -O God!

There is a reason why those two words are separated in the Index of the Quran, because they are not the same word. Enclosing the page in the Index of the Quran which shows the two words separated for your own verification. 

7.The original form of the word -(I)sm -that is found in bismillah,that is SM,is not counted at all, instead of that RK counted ISM, or more correct ASM???!! 7. Nobody claims that -Bi- from the beggining of the bismillah is dividible with 19? Why? If it has been dividible I am sure that it would be presented as a part of the miracle. 8 and on the end of the day we must exclude their occurences in 9/128-129!

What was counted was the four words presented in their root form. For extensive and detailed information, click here. 

Not to add that rk sometimes excluded the words that he counted because they reffered to- for example -non arabic quran- or -quran other than this- 

Rashad excluded one occurence when counting the word "Quran" and that was in 10:15 in which we read:

[10:15] When our revelations are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet us say, "Bring a Quran* other than this, or change it!" Say, "I cannot possibly change it on my own. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day."

or he excluded the word arsh/throne and resuul/messenger refering to other than God`s throne and messanger etc etc etc. When you are allowed to include and exclude whatever you want you can allways get 19 divisibility , but it will not be the miracle .

What are you talking about here? You are throwing out accusations without any examples that the reader can verify or discard. Please provide an example with verse references and illustrate your point clearly and how it is relevant. 

So the problem is not in authorising the particular criteria , the problem is in changing the criteria whenever it is necessesery to get 19-divisibility. 

If that would have been the case, we would have had reason to doubt it. There is no science more exact than mathematics however. You either get a number that is exactly divisible by 19, or you don't. As the reader will realize when studying the miracle of him or herself, the method of counting is consistent and logical. The number of suras (114), the number of verses (6346), the number of letters in each sura (the Quranic Initials) the number of occurences of words (you've seen very powerful examples here above), the value of words, etc, etc, 

To read more about it, click here. 

One can take whatever criteria he wants, but he must apply it consistently if he want to claims a miracle. If he continuously change it, just for the sake of getting 19 divisibility, then, he is, actually, not finding, but creating "the miracle". In my opinion that exactly is the case with "No 19 miracle", there is no miracle of No.19.No 19 miracle is a product of manipulating and doctoring the counts to fit 19 divisibility.

You state that there is manipulation. We know there is no manipulation. In the end, the reader will have to decide to verify for him or herself. That is the only way to know for yourself who is telling the truth, and who is trying to mislead you with personal opinions.

To read more about it, click here.