[Back to List of Challenges - Home - Challenges of Specific Sites ]

The text by the challenger is in Blue - The answer is in Black. For your convenience the challenge is represented by it's main objections/points. We've not taken the time to answer arguments that are not fact or source based. An example of such an argument would be, "because of false data" without listing an example or making a reference that lists an example. 

Interesting questions for/to believers in code 19:

-Isnt Quran fully detailed Book?

Yes Indeed. 

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

[16:89] The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.

[44:4] In it (the scripture), every matter of wisdom is clarified.

[16:43] We did not send before you except men whom we inspired. Ask those who know the scripture, if you do not know.

[2:121] Those who received the scripture, and know it as it should be known, will believe in this. As for those who disbelieve, they are the losers.

-Does God run out of words?

Are you asking us or yourself? Or are you suggesting that limiting what we should follow is limiting God's words? What is the message you wish to convey with this question? God, the Almighty, never runs out of words. His revelations to us are exact, as is everything He does. 

[54:49] Everything we created is precisely measured.

[18:109] Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."

Those who are not content with what God gives, want more, or less. Those who do not believe that God provides all the instructions we need, request more, to the detriment of their own souls, as we see in the story about the command to sacrifice a heifer in Sura 2. 

-Where Quran says that there is code 19 embeded in it?

[74:30] Over it is nineteen.

-Where Quran says that 19 is a Sign?

[74:35] This is one of the great miracles.

-Where Quran says that Judgement day will happen in the year 2280.?

http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/appendix25.html

[43:61] He is to serve as a marker for knowing the end of the world, so you can no longer harbor any doubt about it. You shall follow Me; this is the right path.

Foot note : *43:61 As detailed in Appendix 25, the End of the World is given in the Quran, and the birthdate of Jesus provided one of the significant signs that the calculations are correct. We learn that the world will end in the year 2280 (19x120) after the birth of Jesus (see 47:18). Additionally, both the lunar year (1710) & the solar year (2280) are divisible by 570 (19x30), the number of years from the birth of Jesus to the birth of Muhammad. Thus, the birthdate of Jesus is a marker.

[20:15] "The Hour (end of the world) is surely coming; I will keep it almost hidden, for each soul must be paid for its works.

-Where Quran says that Gog and Magog will be freed in 1700. after hijrah?

18:86

When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."

18:87

He said, "As for those who transgress, we will punish them; then, when they return to their Lord, He will commit them to more retribution.

18:88

"As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, they receive a good reward; we will treat them kindly."

18:89

Then he pursued another way.

18:90

When he reached the far east, he found the sun rising on people who had nothing to shelter them from it.

 

18:91

Naturally, we were fully aware of everything he found out.

18:92

He then pursued another way.

18:93

When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.

18:94

They said, "O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?"

18:95

He said, "My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.

18:96

"Bring to me masses of iron." Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, "Blow." Once it was red hot, he said, "Help me pour tar on top of it."

18:97

Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.

18:98

He said, "This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth."

18:99

At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.

18:100

We will present Hell, on that day, to the disbelievers.

*18:94-98 One of my duties as God's Messenger of the Covenant is to state that Gog and Magog, the final sign before the end of the world, will reappear in 2270 AD (1700 AH), just 10 years before the end. Note that Gog and Magog occur in Suras 18 and 21, precisely 17 verses
before the end of each sura, representing 17 lunar centuries (see 72:27 and Appendix 25).

-Where Quran says that whoever dies under the age of 40 automatically(no matter if he was disbeliever) goes in Heaven?

Every one in Hell will fulfill the following description, of having been given a life-long chance with continuous reminders:

[35:37] They will scream therein, "Our Lord, if you get us out of here, we will work righteousness, instead of the works we used to do." Did we not give you a life-long chance, with continuous reminders for those who would take heed? Did you not receive the warner? Therefore, taste
(the consequences). The transgressors will have no one to help them.

The ONLY age in both the Bible and the Quran talking about man reaching maturity, is the age of 40. 

If you do not agree with this then what is the age of responsibility, as you understand it according to the scripure? 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35?

-Where, in Quran, God ordered that words of Quran and its letters should be counted?

[10:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.

[12:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are proofs of this profound scripture.

[13:1] A. L. M. R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture. What is revealed to you from your Lord is the truth, but most people do not believe.

[15:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture; a profound Quran.

[26:2] These (letters) constitute proofs of this clarifying scripture.

[27:1] T. S. These (letters) constitute proofs of the Quran; a profound scripture.

[28:2] These (letters) constitute proofs of this profound book.

[31:2] These (letters) constitute proofs of this book of wisdom.

[21:2] When a proof comes to them from their Lord, that is new, they listen to it heedlessly.

[34:43] When our proofs were recited to them, perfectly clear, they said, "This is simply a man who wants to divert you from the way your parents are worshiping." They also said, "These are fabricated lies." Those who disbelieved also said about the truth that came to them, "This is obviously magic."

[10:38] If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than GOD, if you are truthful."

[10:39] Indeed, they have rejected this without studying and examining it, and before understanding it. Thus did those before them disbelieve. Therefore, note the consequences for the transgressors.

-Where, in Quran, God said that anything and everything in Quran should be counted and divided by 19?

Please read comments above and entire Sura 74. 

If you would have been a Christian at the time of prophet Muhammad you would have rejected him based on your logic above. You would have said, "Where in the Bible does it say that we should follow a man name Muhammad?" You also would not have accompanied Moses across the red sea. You would have said, "Where does it say that we have to follow you to Israel?"

God has NEVER in detail explained in what way or format He will reveal His proofs beforehand. Can you think of even one example where He has? 

-Where Quran says that Rashad Khalifa is(or will be) messenger of God?

For very good reasons God keeps certain information hidden in the scriptures. Imagine if the Bible would have stated that there will be a prophet coming whose name would be Muhammad? Every single parent would have named their child Muhammad. In the same way God did not say that the Messenger of the Covenant's name will be Rashad Khalifa, as millions of kids around the world would be named Rashad Khalifa. Instead God coded his name into the Quran, only to be seen after the fact as a confirmation of his mission. That is why the root word for Rashad's name, Rashada, is mentioned in the Quran exactly 19 times. 

Rashad Khalifa's name is embedded in the Quran appropriately through mathematics. To see the details of that, please read the following articles: 

http://www.submission.org/AP02.htm

http://www.submission.org/suras/app26.html

-Where Quran says that, after revelation of Quran, God will send a Rashad Khalifa to make clear and explain some of His verses?

Please read verses 3:81 and 33:7. 

http://www.submission.org/AP02.htm

http://www.submission.org/suras/app26.html

-Where Quran says that we will find some divinely inspired explanation`s of its verses in the book called appendicess of Rashad Khalifa`s (Authorised!?) translation of Quran?

See comments above. 

There is nothing in those Appendixes that is not based on the Quran. That is proof in itself. And that should be proof enough for you too, as you should know that no one except someone who is a sincere believer are allowed access to the Quran (56:79).  

-Can you answer to any of these questions above with a clear, straightforward and unambiguos verse of Quran?

Already done.  

-Isnt Quran fully detailed book?

Absolutely is. This is why everything we attribute to God and our religion should be measured against it. 

[10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the
universe.

[16:89] The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.

-Why is it so hard to find a SINGLE clear verse in Quran to support theory of code 19?

It is not. 

[74:30] Over it is nineteen.

This, as the Sura indicates, was the Hidden Secret, destined to be hidden for exactly 1406 years, or 19x74, and revealed in 1974, by a messenger born on the 19th of November, the 323rd day of the year, which is 19x17. 

Who, except God, can coordinate such 'coincidences'?

-Why do you have to relie upon ambiguous verses while defending code 19 and messengership of Rashad Khalifa?(3/7)

You may see this as ambigious. Those who recognize the clear Quranic mathematical facts surrounding this miracle find nothing ambigious about it, quite the opposite. Opinions are ambigious, facts are not. 

Do not make the mistake of calling things you personally do not understand 'ambigious'. Instead, pray, "My Lord, increase my knowledge" (20:114). 

-Did you forget that muhkamat/straightforward verses are basis/source of the book?

Thank God, we didn't. 

Now that you've gone to great lengths to make your opinions about those who follow the Quran alone public, please point out to us, using the Quran, even one aspect of the way we practice our religion which is un-Quranic?

We know you cannot. 

-Did you forget that only those whose hearts tend to wawer follow and dwell on ambiguous verses?

The misrepresentation of 74:30 being an allegorical verse is adressed above as well. To add to the discussion, here is some more information though. First an explanation of what an allegorical verse is:

al·le·go·ry   Audio pronunciation of "allegory" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (l-gôr, -gr)
n. pl. al·le·go·ries

  1.  
    1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
    2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby Dick are allegories.
  2. A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice.

allegory

n 1: a short moral story (often with animal characters) [syn: fable, parable, apologue] 2: a visible symbol representing an abstract idea [syn: emblem] 3: an expressive style that uses fictional characters and events to describe some subject by suggestive resemblances; an extended metaphor

Here are some verses God claim contain allegories:

[13:35] The allegory of Heaven, which is promised for the righteous, is flowing streams, inexhaustible provisions, and cool shade. Such is the destiny for those who observe righteousness, while the destiny for the disbelievers is Hell.

[14:18] The allegory of those who disbelieve in their Lord: their works are like ashes in a violent wind, on a stormy day. They gain nothing from whatever they earn; such is the farthest straying.

[24:35] GOD is the light of the heavens and the earth. The allegory of His light is that of a concave mirror behind a lamp that is placed inside a glass container. The glass container is like a bright, pearl-like star. The fuel thereof is supplied from a blessed oil-producing tree, that is neither eastern, nor western. Its oil is almost self-radiating; needs no fire to ignite it. Light upon light. GOD guides to His light whoever wills (to be guided). GOD thus cites the parables for the people. GOD is fully aware of all things.

[24:40] Another allegory is that of being in total darkness in the midst of a violent ocean, with waves upon waves, in addition to thick fog. Darkness upon darkness - if he looked at his own hand, he could barely see it. Whomever GOD deprives of light, will have no light.

[29:41] The allegory of those who accept other masters beside GOD is that of the spider and her home; the flimsiest of all homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew.

[47:15] The allegory of Paradise that is promised for the righteous is this: it has rivers of unpolluted water, and rivers of fresh milk, and rivers of wine - delicious for the drinkers - and rivers of strained honey. They have all kinds of fruits therein, and forgiveness from their Lord. (Are they better) or those who abide forever in the hellfire, and drink hellish water that tears up their intestines?

Compare this with verse 74:30:

[74:30] Over it is nineteen.

-Have you check all the counts and calculations, that you consider miraculous and that you believe in, by yourself, or you relie upon hear-say?

Enough to be absolutely convinced that this could not be man-made. 

-Did you count 40.000 letters("initials" in initialed chapters), and how many times?

Enough to be absolutely convinced that this could not be man-made. 

-Did some goat eat 17/36 in your copy of Quran?

For the benefit of the reader, here is 17:36:

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

Are you suggesting we do not study what we claim to follow? As you've seen, for all our views we have Quranic support and we cite the verses accordingly. If you find that anything we've said as far as our religious beliefs and practices are concerned are not based on the Quran, please be specific and let us know the Quranic verses that supports your claim. 

To read about the religious duties we practice: 

http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/appendix13.html

http://www.submission.info/practices/salat/

http://www.submission.info/practices/zakat/

http://www.submission.info/practices/ramadan/

http://www.submission.info/practices/hajj/

-Have you ever heard about messenger of God who announced his messengership RETROACTIVELY to people as Rashad Khalifa did?

Just as with the previous prophets and messengers, Rashad Khalifa announced his messengership when the time for the announcement had come. 

With the exeption of Jesus, all prophets and messengers seem to have turned 40 before announcing their mission. All of them were guided by God and being prepared for their mission before it being known as such to the rest of the world. 

Abraham, for example, preached about worshipping God alone, even as a young man: 

[21:59] They said, "Whoever did this to our gods is really a transgressor."

[21:60] They said, "We heard a youth threaten them; he is called Abraham."

Abraham was informed about his mission much later in life, when he was a father. 

[2:124] Recall that Abraham was put to the test by his Lord, through certain commands, and he fulfilled them. (God) said, "I am appointing you an imam for the people." He said, "And also my descendants?" He said, "My covenant does not include the transgressors."

About Joseph...

[12:22] When he reached maturity, we endowed him with wisdom and knowledge. We thus reward the righteous.

...yet he was informed as a young man of his destiny.....

[12:4] Recall that Joseph said to his father, "O my father, I saw eleven planets, and the sun, and the moon; I saw them prostrating before me."

[12:15] When they went away with him, and unanimously decided to throw him into the abyss of the well, we inspired him: "Some day, you will tell them about all this, while they have no idea."

...he preached about God long before he were commissioned to preach publicly..... 

[12:37] He said, "If any food is provided to you, I can inform you about it before you receive it. This is some of the knowledge bestowed upon me by my Lord. I have forsaken the religion of people who do not believe in GOD, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are really disbelievers.

[12:38] "And I followed instead the religion of my ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We never set up any idols beside GOD. Such is the blessing from GOD upon us and upon the people, but most people are unappreciative.

[12:39] "O my prison mates, are several gods better, or GOD alone, the One, the Supreme?

[12:40] "You do not worship beside Him except innovations that you have made up, you and your parents. GOD has never authorized such idols. All ruling belongs to GOD, and He has ruled that you shall not worship except Him. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.

[12:41] "O my prison mates, one of you will be the wine butler for his lord, while the other will be crucified - the birds will eat from his head. This settles the matter about which you have inquired."

[12:42] He then said to the one to be saved "Remember me at your lord." Thus, the devil caused him to forget his Lord, and, consequently, he remained in prison a few more years.

With the exception of Jesus, all God's prophets and messengers seem to have been above the age of forty when announcing their messengership. 

-Did you know that appendices of RK`s translation of Quran are full of errors and mathemathical properties,manipulations with counting criteria, arbitrary and selective inclusions of diferent forms of words and letters in order to fit 19-divisibility, that is, full of insignificant calculations and counts ?

The Appendices illustrate the proof to the world that Quran is God's unaltered final message to humanity. Where are all those errors and mistakes and manipulations you are talking about? Since they are so many, as you claim, why don't you list here at least some?

If there are any minor mistakes in the Appendices, and there are bound to be some as human beings were involved in putting the text together, they do not in any way affect the miracle or the message.

-Did you ever read a serious critic and (re)evaluation of Rashad Khalifa`s work(calculations,counts etc.)?

Yes, of course. And consistently, it shows the immense wisdom and mercy of God in sending a messenger to us at this time, when His religion has been corrupted beyond recognition and when they fight against the message to Worship God Alone is pervasive in all major religions -  Judaism, Christianity and Islam. When people who recite the Quranic verses are attacked by people who claim to be Muslims, then you know that something is seriously off! Rashad Khalifa was murdered because he preached the Quranic message. 

-Why do you not believe in Bible code(s)?

The Bible was actually originally coded with the same number as the Quran. This was also observed by a witness from the children of Israel - Rabbi Judah the Pious - who printed several books on the subject. 

Beyond that, the number 19 is found in the creation of the Heavens and the Earth. The fact that it takes 38 weeks, or 19x2, or 266 days, 19x14, to create a human being, is one very strong sign. 

Note: Verse 2:259, exactly verse 266 from the beginning of the Quran, speaks of the construction of a human being. The first verse in the Quran to do so. Is this a coincidence you think?

-Did you know that there are several codes embeded in Bible?

There are claims of several codes in the Bible. None of them are consistent, nor beyond human ability. God used 19 as a stamp on His creation. The original Bible is no exception. 

-Why do you not believe in hadiths of Muhammad of which many are scientifically confirmed as true?

Muhammad never uttered anything outside the Quran. So the 'hadith of Muhammad' IS the Quran. Now we have the Quran. Let's follow it. 

If there are information in Hadith that are not in the Quran, and were not information available to the people of the time of Muhammad, where are those Hadiths?

-Do you know how many sunnies increased their faith witnessing a miracle of those scientifically confirmed hadiths?

First of all, where are they? Secondly, increased their faith in what? Thirdly, how has that affected the practice of the religion preached by the Quran?

What do you mean by "scientifically proven hadiths"? Could you give some examples and back up your statements with concrete references?

-Why do you think that the sunnah and hadith which Rashad Khalifa ascribed to God, is any better from the sunnah and hadith which Bukhari & co.`s ascribed to God ?

Any narration whether it is written or spoken that can be confirmed in the Quran is good. Any narration in the collections of narrations (hadiths) attributed to Muhammad that can be verified in the Quran is fine. The same goes for any narration, book, writing, message, speech produced by Rashad. We measure everything against the Quran. If it doesn't fit with  the entire Quranic message, we forget about it.