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Who said it? God or Rashad?

A believer in code 19 wrote: > I must ask you again, is it GOD or Rashad, who said: > > 74:30-Over it is Nineteen. ? God said it but, there is no mention of code 19 in the verse,nor the words "19 is miracle", nor "Rashad is a messeneger", nor "delete 2 verses from Quran", nor "j day is in 2280." etc.etc.etc. all this is Rashads invention and interpretation and whoever believes and uphold it, then his god must be Rashad and not Allah.... Over it nineteen reffers to 19 angel over hell fire... see context...

For 1400 years mankind did not understand what "Over it is nineteen" meant. Neither did they understand what God meant with "these letters are proofs of this book of wisdom/this scripture" in reference to the mysterious initials that are prefixing 29 of the Quranic chapters.

With the unveiling of the hidden mathematical code of the Quran in 1974, exactly 1406 years or (19x74) after the revelation of the Quran, all that changed. It is now overwhelmingly clear that according to God's promise, He has not only sent a consolidating, clarifying, and purifying messenger (Malachi 3:1-3, Quran 3:81) to confirm the message He has sent to all previous messengers and prophets, He has also sent the proof of authenticity of His religion, and given us His proven word (14:27).

Reproducing below the verses that follow God's statement "Over it is nineteen" in His chapter called "The Hidden Secret" (Chapter 74), and you judge for yourself, now with the new found knowledge of what this really refers to, whether God talks about a miracle or not in reference to this number:

Verse No Sura 74 (THe Hidden Secret)

30 Over it is nineteen.*

31 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

32 Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.

33 And the night as it passes.

34 And the morning as it shines.

35 This is one of the great miracles.

36 A warning to the human race.

37 For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

38 Every soul is trapped by its sins.

39 Except for those on the right.

40 While in Paradise, they will ask.

41 About the guilty.

42 "What brought you to this retribution?"

43 They will say, "We did not observe the contact prayers (Salat).

44 "We did not feed the poor.

45 "We blundered with the blunderers.

46 "We disbelieved in the Day of Judgment.

47 "Until certainty came to us now."

48 The intercession of the intercessors will never help them.

49 Why are they so averse to this reminder?

50 Running like zebras.

51 Who are fleeing from the lion!

52 Does each one of them want to receive the scripture personally?

53 Indeed, they do not fear the Hereafter.

54 Indeed, this is a reminder.

55 For those who wish to take heed.

56 They cannot take heed against GOD's will. He is the source of righteousness; He is the source of forgiveness.

Again whatever the meaning of 74/30-is, it can not represent the basis of Quran and its doctrine, 74/30-31 is full of mutashabihat/undeicsive/ ambiguous phrases and according 3/7 ONLY muhkamat ajats are BASIS/SOURCE OF THE BOOK and mutashabehaat are not SOURCE, BUT THEY ARE ABUSED and followed by those in whose hearts is perversity for creating fitna.... and having this in mind from the very beggining 74/30-31 can not stand as a proof for any doctrine including code 19....

"Whatever the meaning...." This is sad to read. How can you feel so sure that this is NOT what it means, when you admit that you do not know its meaning.

One of the very powerful things about the miracle is that it is absolutely free from personal opinions, conjecture or interpretation. It is based on straightforward facts, which can be verified by anyone, anytime and in any place. It is a perpetual miracle which is not bound in time nor place, which is a first in human history.

Here are 6 very straightforward facts which you can verify for yourself quite easily.

1. The Quran consists of 114 chapters. This is 19x6.

2. The opening statement of each sura in the entire Quran (except Sura 9) consists of 19 letters.

3. This opening statement occurs in the Quran exactly 114 times. The suspiciously 'missing' statement in the beginning of Sura 9 is compensated in Verse 30 of sura 27.

5. The word "GOD" (Allah in Arabic) occurs 2698 times in the Quran. This is 19x334.

6. When adding the versenumbers in which the word God occurs we get a total of 118123, which is 19x6217.

Would you call these facts ambiguous?

For those who you who wish to familiarize yourself with the facts of this miracle, and more importantly with the tremendous consequences of this miracle, please visit: www.submission.info

Further... > Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > 74:31-And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire; > > and We have ordained their number ? Yes God said it, but again there is no mention of code 19,and there is no mention of word sign, counting calculating,deleting, correcting, protecting of Quran, all this is but an invention of Rashad and whoever uphold it Rashad is his God..... (see post scriptum-p.s., for one additional clarification of the expression "their number") > Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > only as a trial for Unbelievers, ?

God actualy said "we did not made/set/appoint their number but a FITNA to those who disbelieved... Because of context we see that fitna here should be translated as punishement or torment and not as trial... Surah talk about the man who denies Gods revelation and about Gods promise of hell fire to him -torturing in saqar-hell fire, and 19 malaikah are those who perform this punishement(66/6)...so we clearly see that this part of the verse reffers to hereafter and not to this world as you implie.... But whatever -no mention of code 19 , no mention of 19 being Sign, no mention of 19 being proof ,no mention of 19 correcting quran, no mention of 19 interpreting quran,no mention of Rashad being a messenger etcetcetc

What is quite a proof in itself is the reaction of people who become so strongly disturbed by this miracle, confirming that Quran is indeed the word of God and that we should apply it to our lives.

Usually people who oppose this miracle refer to themselves as believers in the Quran and claim that the supporters of this miracle oppose the Quranic teachings. Yet, we see again and again the failure of giving any relevant examples, or even giving an example for that matter, of how such "abuse" of the scripture is taking place.

The person who wrote this article claims, in an attempt to twist the meaning of this vers, that the word "trial" is not the right word here, but that the word should be "punishment".

Reproducing here what word four translators other than Rashad Khalifa has used for this word, in this verse:

Verse No Pickthall Shakir Sher Ali Yusuf Ali

30 Above it are nineteen. Over it are nineteen. Over it are nineteen angels. Over it are Nineteen.

31 We have appointed only angels to be wardens of the Fire, and their number have We made to be a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve; that those to whom the Scripture hath been given may have certainty, and that believers may increase in faith; and that those to whom the Scripture hath been given and believers may not doubt; and that those in whose hearts there is disease, and disbelievers, may say: What meaneth Allah by this similitude ? Thus Allah sendeth astray whom He will, and whom He will He guideth. None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals. And We have not made the wardens of the fire others than angels, and We have not made their number but as a trial for those who disbelieve, that those who have been given the book may be certain and those who believe may increase in faith, and those who have been given the book and the believers may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the unbelievers may say: What does Allah mean by this parable? Thus does Allah make err whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases, and none knows the hosts of your Lord but He Himself; and this is naught but a reminder to the mortals. And none but angels have we made wardens of the Fire. And WE have not fixed their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve, so that those, who have been given the Book, may attain certainty and those who believe may increase in faith, and those, who have been given the Book as well as the believers, may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is disease and the disbelievers may say, `What does ALLAH mean by such an illustration ?' Thus does ALLAH leave to go astray whom HE pleases and guide whom HE pleases. And none knows the host of thy Lord but HE. And this is nothing but a reminder for man. And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

The trial is over once we leave this world. This revelation, of the number 19, is a test in this world. Reading the rest of the verse this becomes overwhelmingly clear. As we also see here, those who disbelieve will not understand what God means by this and will refer to it as a parable, or an allegory.

The conclusions that accompany this revelation is complete support and adherance to the message of the Quran. Yet we find that those who profess to follow this scripture, who call themselves 'muslim' today, are among the first to reject the code and the conclusions of people who have come to fully believe in it.

To familiarize yourself with the code and the conclusions, please visit: www.submission.info

> > Was it GOD or Rashad who said: > > in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, ? Yes the/a number of malaikaha is made to be but a punishement for those who disbelieve(d), and this quranic admonition/warning will be of use to people to get to certainity... Quranic warnings of which hell fire (including all of its punishement performed by malaikah) is the most frequent, according to Quran have power to help people in attaining certainity, to increase in people awarness of hearafter and all the truths and purposes of their lifes, and to help the people(who read about these warnings in God`s book, and who "believe" in it, but are not convinced and are not on level of certainity) to attain certainity... Also possibly when people who do not act as they should(-acting as being certain is certainity acording quran) read this quranic admonitions and all punishement in hell fire which are performed by those malaikah)they will get certainity.... Fearing of the punishement in hearafter force people to make good deeds, to be just , to read Quran,to learn, to strive in Gods path and to obey Allah commands in Quran and acting that way they attain certainity and increase their faith...and are prevented from falling in doubts... Does not reading of Quran ITSELF and its admonitions, morals,lessons, messages, wisdoms have CONVINCING power?? I am sure youll agree on this...

Again, the writer of all these objections fail to do two things. 1) he fails to provide even one example of how the actual message of the Quran has been misrepresented by the followers of the Quran, after attaining absolute certainty about its divine origin after studying this miracle, 2) he fails to recognize God's system, and in fact critizises God's system of sending messengers with proofs. He is saying we don't need them, when God throughout the Quran tells us that He sends them with His proofs to strengthen our hearts and to let us know that they are indeed sent by Him.

> Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > and the Believers may increase in Faith,? Again there is no mention of code 19 and similar stuff , all that is but a Rashads invention...The/a number of malaikaha is made to be but a punishement for those who disbelieved, and this quranic admonition will increase the faith of believers reading Gods verses=>fearing of fire and its angels=> avoiding evil and following quran and reading quran=> increasing in faith

All the raesons for revealing this miracle is outlined in the verse immediately following "Over it is nineteen".

Verse No Pickthall Shakir Sher Ali Yusuf Ali

30 Above it are nineteen. Over it are nineteen. Over it are nineteen angels. Over it are Nineteen.

31 We have appointed only angels to be wardens of the Fire, and their number have 1) We made to be a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve; 2) that those to whom the Scripture hath been given may have certainty, and 3) that believers may increase in faith; and 4) that those to whom the Scripture hath been given and believers may not doubt; and 5) that those in whose hearts there is disease, and disbelievers, may say: What meaneth Allah by this similitude ? Thus Allah sendeth astray whom He will, and whom He will He guideth. None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals. And We have not made the wardens of the fire others than angels, and We have not made their number but 1) as a trial for those who disbelieve, 2) that those who have been given the book may be certain and 3) those who believe may increase in faith, and 4) those who have been given the book and the believers may not doubt, and 5) that those in whose hearts is a disease and the unbelievers may say: What does Allah mean by this parable? Thus does Allah make err whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases, and none knows the hosts of your Lord but He Himself; and this is naught but a reminder to the mortals. And none but angels have we made wardens of the Fire. And WE have not fixed their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve, so that those, who have been given the Book, may attain certainty and those who believe may increase in faith, and those, who have been given the Book as well as the believers, may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is disease and the disbelievers may say, `What does ALLAH mean by such an illustration ?' Thus does ALLAH leave to go astray whom HE pleases and guide whom HE pleases. And none knows the host of thy Lord but HE. And this is nothing but a reminder for man. And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

8:2 "They only are the BELIEVERS whose hearts feel fear when Allah is mentioned, and when THE REVELATIONS/verses of Allah are RECITED unto them THEY INCREASE THEIR FAITH, and who trust in their Lord"

[13:28] They are the ones whose hearts rejoice in remembering GOD. Absolutely, by remembering GOD, the hearts rejoice.

We demonstrate our reverence and belief in God's scripture by applying it to our lives. Let us ask you this; when you utter your proclamation of faith, do you mention God's name alone, or do you add another name that you mention besides God, such as Muhammad for example?

If so, this is in direct violation of the Quran, which clearly commands us to commemorate God alone, worship God alone, and NOT mention any other names besides Him in reverence or in our worship.

[72:18] The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

The only those who insist on mentioning other names besides the name of God are those who do not really believe in the Hearafter, and only offer lip-service in regard to their faith:

[39:45] When GOD ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned beside Him, they become satisfied.

[4:36] You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, the related neighbor, the unrelated neighbor, the close associate, the traveling alien, and your servants. GOD does not like the arrogant show-offs.

[6:162] Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe.

[39:17] As for those who discard the worship of all idols, and devote themselves totally to GOD alone, they have deserved happiness. Give good news to My servants.

[40:12] This is because when GOD ALONE was advocated, you disbelieved, but when others were mentioned beside Him, you believed. Therefore, GOD's judgment has been issued; He is the Most High, the Great.

> Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers,? The answer is same as above...Plus,one more time no mention of codes no mention of 2280, no mention of 19 being a Sign,

To read about the overwhelming proofs in the Quran about the end of the world, please visit: http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/appendix25.html

> Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, > "What symbol doth Allah intend by this? ? Again no mention of code 19 , just mention of unbelievers and those who have disease in their hearts which can not comprehend what God intended.... >

That's correct. They cannot.

Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth; and guide whom He pleaseth; and none can know the forces of >thy Lord, except He. And this is no other than a warning to mankind. ? Again no mention of code 19.... No one know why exactly 19 malaikah upon hell fire...only God know his soldiers , their characteristics, their capabilities etc. but we know that their purpose is to punish and torture disbelievers in hell (66/6) Why 19 why not 21 or 7 or etc only God knows.... Why 8(malaikah) will carry the throne of Allah at j day as mentioned in Quran-allah knows the best ... Why exactly 11 players of soccer , i do not know?

Above every knowledgeable one there is one who is even more knowledgable. We have good news for you that what is clearly an enigma for you in regard to the number 19, has been clarified by a messenger of God, who is prophesied not only in the Quran (3:81), but also in the Bible (3:1-3).

We learn from the Quran that whatever questions we have, if we ask about the in light of the Quran, they become obvious to us (5:101).

So, if you look at this issue in light of the whole Quran, it will become obvious to you, if you are sincerely seeking to worship God alone, as He commands you. If however you are seeking excuses to reject His invitation to abandon all the innovations which has been unustly attributed to this perfect religion, and are disturbed by the notion of abandoning prejudice in favor of one particular prophet or messenger, then you will not be able to see the truth.

And as we learn from the Quran, the absolute majority of people in this world cannot abandon the notion that they need something else besides God, and thus oppose such invitations so strongly.

[12:103] Most people, no matter what you do, will not believe.
[12:106] The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.

The Unforgivable Sin

[4:116] GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death),* and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray.

The Phrase "wa ma hije illa zikra lil bashar" "and this(or it) is but a warning to mankind" reffers to saqar or/and Quran... again you only have ambiguos phrase to dwel upon- according to 3/7 those in whose hearts is perversity follow what is ambiguous from Quran....And when we look at it in the light of quran and in the light of its muhkamat verses- more precise and decisive verses- we see that it can only reffer to saqar or/and to quran and its admonitions...

All the facts of the mathematical miracle are derived from the Quran. Its purpose is to increase faith and remove doubts about the authenticity of the Quran. Whether these numbers are ambiguous or not, each of you need to decide for yourselves, after giving it due study time.

[10:39] Indeed, they have rejected this without studying and examining it, and before understanding it. Thus did those before them disbelieve. Therefore, note the consequences for the transgressors.

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/appendix1.html

> Is it GOD or Rashad who said: > > 72:28-"That he may know that they have delivered the Messages of their Lord: > and He surrounds what is with them, and He has counted all things numerically." ? God said it... but to understand it corectly we must look at the context...the previous verse tell us that God set up the guardians before and behind the messenger... (and now comes the quoted verse) "That He may know that they have delivered the Messages of their Lord,and He surrounds what is with them, and He has counted all things numerically." And yes, God keeps the count of all things .. no mention of codes , no mention that WE should count... Simply- God set up the guardians before and behind his messengers in order to assure that messengers will deliver the message... And then comes the phrases which describe Gods power and knowledge, which tell us that God encompasses what is with them and takes account of every single thing.

072.026 The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any, 072.027 Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him, 072.028 So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.

Verse No Khalifa Pickthall Sher Ali

26 He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret, HE is the Knower of the unseen; and HE reveals not HIS secrets to anyone,

27 Only to a messenger that He chooses,* does He reveal from the past and the future, specific news.* Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him Except to a Messenger of HIS whom HE chooses. And then HE causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,

28 This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things. That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things. That HE may know that HIS Messengers have delivered the Messages of their Lord. And HE encompasses all that is with them and HE keeps count of all things.

No codes no order for counting, calculating,etc... no mention that WE should count...but it says that God kkeps the count of all things... If you think that this is an order for counting, then, will you accept that this is an order for obligatory mantioning of Muhamads name in salaat?

Here we go...your real problem with this miracle is finally 'let our of the bag'. You have a problem with hearing that according to the Quran we should dedicate all our worship to God alone.

13/43 And those who disbelieve say: You are not a messenger. Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. Further....

The point?

> Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > put 19 Arabic letters in the basmallah? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > divided the Qur'an into 114 chapters, 6 x 19? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > put the basmallah over every chapter but chapter 9? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > put an extra basmallah in 27:30 to make a total of 114? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > made 619 the 114th prime number? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > mentioned a total of 38 numbers in the Qur'an, 2 x 19? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > mentioned 30 whole/cardinal numbers in the Qur'an? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > made 30 the 19th composite number? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > mentioned 8 fractions/whole numbers in the Qur'an? > > Is it GOD or Rashad who: > > made the 8th prime number 19?

This is a little of numerology that could be found in any book... its just a mater how diligent worker you are...you have an ocean of numbers and statistics in which every 19th number is 19 divisible,and if you try enough combinations you will necesserily get a few of 19 divisible numbers/ alculations or you will find a few interesting numbers ....you have compositso , prime numbers, twin primes,verse numbers, surah nubers, counts of initials, gematrical values etc etcetc..If number is not 19 divisible then he may be 19th or (for example 57th prime-that is, 19 divisible prime etcetc), or 19 divisible composit, or you may relate to to a verse number, or to gematrical value of this or that, or to year of discovery or etc etc etc etc

"A little of numerology that could be found in any book..."

Well, God knew that people would challenge His miracle, and thus He invites you to reproduce even one sura "Like these", i.e. reproducing the text with the embedded miracle.

[2:23] If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant,* then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.

The best exaple of it is that traditionaly salat timing and rakats are confirmed by 19 divisible calculation, or bible code ,etcetcec This numbers are not more significant that bible code is...Why not believe in bible code-7? **According to E. W. Bullinger in "Number in Scripture", the number seven represents "spiritual perfection."(1) In Hebrew, the number seven(shevah) comes from the root word savah, which means "to be full or satisfied, have enough of."** You see it is clear sign embeded by God in human language to show to us that No 7 "increaes the faith"...

Also it is not hard to find some verses in bible that clearly propheciese that No 7 is very important number and increaes faith, specialy if you read bible daily...and if you are allowed to take verses out of context, or twist the meaning or/and to assign to them some allegorical meaning as code 19 believers do...

In Daniel's(a chapter in bible) "time-oriented" prophecy, the number seven also points to spiritual perfection or completeness for the Jewish people. *** Seventy "sevens" have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up visionand prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. (Dan. 9:24). ***

Is it coincidence???!!!!

All this person has really offered as an argument in this long and lenghty post is different ways of saying 'don't believe it! don't believe it! don't beleive it!

Unless you take a look at it yourself, that is take your own mind, hearing and eyesight and salvation seriously, as God tells you to, there is no way you can or should believe it actually. You need to look at the data for yourself, from the Quran, and then decide. It is all presented in a way which facilitates easy verification by God's grace.

For all the info you need, please visit: www.submission.info

You can also, if you wish to hear Rashad Khalifa himself speak about this miracle and its relevance, visit www.video.google.com and search for video clips with his name.

The text below is enclosed simply because we have commited ourselves to reproduce the challenge in its entirety. We feel however that it adds no relevant arguments, but is further example of a person making a lot of noise as he is trying to convince himself and others that this is not worth looking at. It is evident from his statements here, as well as his statements in other articles on this site, that he has not even studied the miracle for himself.

Please note that this person claims to uphold the Quran. At the same time he claims we should mention Muhammad's name in our Salat (thus in our worship practices). This goes against the very foundation of God's message. That is the real issue he is having with the miracle.

To read more about God's renewal of His message and invitation to mankind to return to the worship of Him alone, to attain salvation, please visit:

http://www.submission.info/quran/appendices/introduction.html

salaam, Zlatan p.s. This is one additional clarification of the expression "their number" mentioned in 74/31 Suppose that someone ask me: "how many lawyers we need to win this lawsuit?" And suppose that I answer: Such number which will be able to perform all the numerous tasks, BUT which, in the same time, would be able to fully COOPERATE on performing their duties WITHOUT DISRUPTING each other...When i answer that this or that number is enough/needed to do the job, it is clear to every healthy person that actually THEY will do the job and not their number as an apstract 5,6,7,8 etc.. This is a perfect explanation of "their number" in 74/31...

Believers in the code beat the verse to the death and extricate from it that- it is not "19 of malaikah" that are fitna/punishement for those who disbelieved(in hereafter)- but No 19 as an apstract and symbol of code 19- is fitna/punishement/trial for disbelievers (in this world) They say "their number" is not "19 of malaikah" but "their number" is simply -"19"... they laugh at me and ridicule When i say that their number is not 19, but 19 of them- 19 malaikah..Look again what God says in 9/36: "indeed the *number of months* in the sight of Allah is *12 months*..."Is Allah stupid?? Allah said "the *number of months*...is *12 months*"Why did not allah said "the number of months is 12"?? but He said "the *number of months*...is *12 months*"...(So-their number is not 19, but 19 of them- 19 malaikah...) f course it is the same whether you say "the number of months is 12" or "12 months"- it is just human language and everybody know what is meant.. The same case is with "their number" in 74/31 When Allah said: "we did not made/set their number but a fitna/punishement for those who disbelieve(d)in order that..." It simply means that 19 of malaikah are punishement for disbelievers(in hell)and this quranic admonition will result in effects listed after that-increasing in faith, removing doubts etc But believers in the code argue and try to extricate their doctrine from this verse,and they argue: you see the verse does not say that malaikah are fitna, but it say that "their number", that is 19 itself-as an apstract and symbol of code 19 and as one of Gods Sign is fitna for disbelievers and increases faith and remove doubts etcetcetc...They argue: ** Here is a simple IQ test for Zlaitaan : When GOD says THEIR NUMBER, He means : (a) Simply THEIR NUMBER (i.e. 19). (b) Not THEIR NUMBER, but THEM (c) Hell (d) Quran ** A certain NUMBER of reasons make me to believe that they are wrong and only follow what is ambiguos from quran...i remind you of 3/7 salaam...Zlatan

Verse No	Sura 74 (THe Hidden Secret)
30	Over it is nineteen.*
31	We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
32	Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.
33	And the night as it passes.
34	And the morning as it shines.
35	This is one of the great miracles.
36	A warning to the human race.
37	For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.
38	Every soul is trapped by its sins.
39	Except for those on the right.
40	While in Paradise, they will ask.
41	About the guilty.
42	"What brought you to this retribution?"
43	They will say, "We did not observe the contact prayers (Salat).
44	"We did not feed the poor.
45	"We blundered with the blunderers.
46	"We disbelieved in the Day of Judgment.
47	"Until certainty came to us now."
48	The intercession of the intercessors will never help them.
49	Why are they so averse to this reminder?
50	Running like zebras.
51	Who are fleeing from the lion!
52	Does each one of them want to receive the scripture personally?
53	Indeed, they do not fear the Hereafter.
54	Indeed, this is a reminder.
55	For those who wish to take heed.
56	They cannot take heed against GOD's will. He is the source of righteousness; He is the source of forgiveness.

Verse No	Pickthall	Shakir	Sher Ali	Yusuf Ali
30	Above it are nineteen.	Over it are nineteen.	Over it are nineteen angels.	Over it are Nineteen.
31	We have appointed only angels to be wardens of the Fire, and their number have We made to be a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve; that those to whom the Scripture hath been given may have certainty, and that believers may increase in faith; and that those to whom the Scripture hath been given and believers may not doubt; and that those in whose hearts there is disease, and disbelievers, may say: What meaneth Allah by this similitude ? Thus Allah sendeth astray whom He will, and whom He will He guideth. None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals.	And We have not made the wardens of the fire others than angels, and We have not made their number but as a trial for those who disbelieve, that those who have been given the book may be certain and those who believe may increase in faith, and those who have been given the book and the believers may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the unbelievers may say: What does Allah mean by this parable? Thus does Allah make err whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases, and none knows the hosts of your Lord but He Himself; and this is naught but a reminder to the mortals.	And none but angels have we made wardens of the Fire. And WE have not fixed their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve, so that those, who have been given the Book, may attain certainty and those who believe may increase in faith, and those, who have been given the Book as well as the believers, may not doubt, and that those in whose hearts is disease and the disbelievers may say, `What does ALLAH mean by such an illustration ?' Thus does ALLAH leave to go astray whom HE pleases and guide whom HE pleases. And none knows the host of thy Lord but HE. And this is nothing but a reminder for man.	And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

Verse No	Khalifa	Pickthall	Sher Ali
26	He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone.	(He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,	HE is the Knower of the unseen; and HE reveals not HIS secrets to anyone,
27	Only to a messenger that He chooses,* does He reveal from the past and the future, specific news.*	Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him	Except to a Messenger of HIS whom HE chooses. And then HE causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,
28	This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.	That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.	That HE may know that HIS Messengers have delivered the Messages of their Lord. And HE encompasses all that is with them and HE keeps count of all things.