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"Their number" or The number which will win the lawsuit
The text below is a repetition of the arguments enclosed at the end of the previous challenge entitled "The Massacre", as well as in another challenge entitled "Who said it? God or Rashad?"
The arguments are merely repetitions of repetitions of the basic challenge that the verses 74:30-31 does not refer to the mathematical miracle of the Quran, but is simply referring to the number of angels in Hell.
Based on this conclusion the writer of this challenge wants you to believe that the miracle which God refers to in regard to the number 19 (please see verse 74:35) is that those who disbelieve in God and in the Quran will be so disturbed upon hearing about 19 angels guarding Hell, that the believers will increase in faith, and the followers of the previous scriptures will be convinced that the Quran is a divine scripture.
[74:30] Over it is nineteen.*
[74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
We invite you to study another conclusion, based on thousands of clera, straightforward and verifiable facts derviced from the Quran, which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the Quran is the proven and preserved word of God, and that the so-called muslims en masse have deserted this glorious scripture.
Suppose that someone ask me: "how many lawyers we need to win this lawsuit?" And suppose that I answer: Such number which will be able to perform all the numerous tasks, BUT which, in the same time, would be able to fully COOPERATE on performing their duties WITHOUT DISRUPTING each other...
When i answer that this or that number is enough/needed to do the job, it is clear to every healthy person that actually THEY will do the job and not their number as an apstract 5,6,7,8 etc..
This is a perfect explanation of "their number" in 74/31...
Believers in the code beat the verse to the death and extricate from it that- it is not "19 of malaikah" that are fitna/punishement for those who disbelieved(in hereafter)- but No 19 as an apstract and symbol of code 19- is fitna/punishement/trial for disbelievers (in this world) They say "their number" is not "19 of malaikah" but "their number" is simply -"19"...
they laugh at me and ridicule When i say that their number is not 19, but 19 of them- 19 malaikah..
Look again what God says in 9/36: "indeed the *number of months* in the sight of Allah is *12 months*..."
Is Allah stupid??
Allah said "the *number of months*...is *12 months*"
Why did not allah said "the number of months is 12"?? but He said "the *number of months*...is *12 months*"...
(So-their number is not 19, but 19 of them- 19 malaikah...)
Of course it is the same whether you say "the number of months is 12" or "12 months"- it is just human language and everybody know what is meant.. The same case is with "their number" in 74/31 When Allah said: "we did not made/set their number but a fitna/punishement for those who disbelieve(d)in order that..." It simply means that 19 of malaikah are punishement for disbelievers(in hell)and this quranic admonition will result in effects listed after that-increasing in faith, removing doubts etc But believers in the code argue and try to extricate their doctrine from this verse,and they argue: you see the verse does not say that malaikah are fitna, but it say that "their number", that is 19 itself-as an apstract and symbol of code 19 and as one of Gods Sign is fitna for disbelievers and increases faith and remove doubts etcetcetc...They argue:
** Here is a simple IQ test for Zlaitaan : When GOD says THEIR NUMBER, He means : (a) Simply THEIR NUMBER (i.e. 19). (b) Not THEIR NUMBER, but THEM (c) Hell (d) Quran **
A certain NUMBER of reasons make me to believe that they are wrong and only follow what is ambiguos from quran...i remind you of 3/7 salaam...Zlatan